Forget swine flu, these Mexicans are more interesting...
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Kev Spence
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Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:59 pm Posts: 3601 Location: Loughborough, Leics, central UK
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Where are the beach shots Nick? 
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| Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:00 pm |
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Mick C
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:49 pm Posts: 86 Location: Sheffield UK
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Great photos of great plants. I did not realise that uncultivated agaves could be so beautiful.
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| Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:19 pm |
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Zac in NC
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:35 pm Posts: 982 Location: Olmito (North Brownsville), Texas ( 26 N Latitude almost exactly on the line)
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Oh! My! God! Nick! i just got back to the internet. I moved into an apartment and I don't have internet there yet, so I am in a Burger King, using their free WiFi. The ovatifolia at the beginning is really valleculate, like the salmiana photo I have from SLP or GTO( Ok, San Luis Potosi and Guanajuato for you unknowns to MX) . And the latter "ovatifolia", hmmm, I know there are parryi down there, and it does sort of look like an intermediate between that and ovatifolia( perhaps huachucensis) God, I might sound like a lumper, but it makes me wonder how those 2 species fit together. The flu is all over the news down here. The only cases here in TX are in San Antonio. Those pics make me want to go on a plant trip back to MX, and not just trips across the border for the night life. How did you find out info on the newly described species?
One day, I think Richard and I will just decide to up and go to MX for a trip. Hahaha. I thought being down here, I'd go more. And I need to get my passport, June is coming up really fast.
Zac
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Alexander
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:55 pm Posts: 1272 Location: Leidschendam, The Netherlands. (52 N latitude)
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Marvellous plants and pictures! Mexico is certainly one of the best places for plants!
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mr.cycad
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:56 am Posts: 80 Location: Cow Bay, Queensland, Australia
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These photo's, and plants, are truly awesome!!!
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| Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:18 am |
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DJ Hobbs
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:19 pm Posts: 80 Location: Newport, South Wales, UK
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Great pictorial Nick, it was a pleasure to see such amazing plants and scenery
I think my favourite has to be that gentryi variegate, i bet that stopped you in your tracks!
Why dont you start a tour company, im sure you could fill a plane load of GOTE plant nutters quite easily 
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nickPGP
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:42 pm Posts: 623 Location: Gloucestershire, UK
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cork3000 wrote: Nick, what a fantastic post. I was admiring your A. Ovatifolia the other week but those wild shots are something else, I'll have to get hold of one as mine (from Mr Dudek) almost certainly isn't Ovatifolia! No surprises there then... cork3000 wrote: If you have any more shots from the trip please do post them.
Err...think I might jam up the forum if I put the rest up Ewen - there are hundreds. Will try to put a few more up though.
Zac - who says there are A. parryi down there? There are none that I know of. Other Agave dudes I know have seen these and, like me, think of them as very close to A. ovatifolia. But yes, I would agree, there is something more A. parryi about them than the standard A. ovatifolia. New species info is gained thru research  Seriously, there has just been a new book produced in Mexico which covers some of the new species. I must get a copy...
Mick C - What??!! Uncultivated Agave are the most beautiful of all!
Michael - I hope your A. pedunculifera survive with you. Try and plant them on a vertical wall for best effect
Darren - The idea of botanical tours has past through my brain a few times. Not sure it will ever happen though.
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| Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:22 pm |
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Zac in NC
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:35 pm Posts: 982 Location: Olmito (North Brownsville), Texas ( 26 N Latitude almost exactly on the line)
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Nick- I am getting this from Gentry. There are outliers in the range in MX. That does look oddly like some truncatas and huachucensis(es) I have seen.
Zac
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| Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:45 am |
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nickPGP
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:42 pm Posts: 623 Location: Gloucestershire, UK
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Zac - I don't know which bit of Gentry you are looking at, but there's nothing in my copy suggesting there are any A. parryi anywhere near central Nuevo Leon. I've heard reports of what appears to be A. parryi much further south, but these are nowhere near these A. aff. ovatifolia things. Another thing to consider with the latter is the marked lack of suckering, which rather rules A. parryi out of the equation.
I would be very cautious about the names on plants you have seen labelled truncata or huachucensis. For a start, truncata would never reach the proportions of the plants in my photos and there are plenty of things in California and the UK I have seen labelled huachucensis which certainly aren't. I would though agree that this taxon is definitely of the parryi group, for obvious reasons.
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| Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:30 pm |
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Zac in NC
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:35 pm Posts: 982 Location: Olmito (North Brownsville), Texas ( 26 N Latitude almost exactly on the line)
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Hmmm. Yeah, I was going back and looking, and the closest is Durango. Hmmm, Gentry Does say that with added water, some of them can reach larger proportions than in wild populations, and I am not one to doubt the JC Raulston Arboretum. I don't know what that one you found is. I know one of Richard's friends in Cd Victoria had shown him a pic of some at this gated community somewhere in the border region of Tamps and NL that were definitely something ovatifolia-esque. Mexico really is the front like for new species in the Agavaceae and the Nolina/Beaucarnea/Calibanus alliance.
Zac
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Frank - Knoxville, TN
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:56 am Posts: 27 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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WOW!!! Unbelievable pictures! That variegated Agave gentryi is quite nice. I'm going to have to go back and take this thread all in later, lol. Beautiful. Thanks so much for posting, and I'll echo what others have said: More!
Frank
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Paul Spracklin
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:55 pm Posts: 515 Location: North Thames delta UK
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Been drooling over these pictures, which have to be the finest set of habitat shots I have ever seen. And the plants! Still speechless, really.
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nickPGP
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:42 pm Posts: 623 Location: Gloucestershire, UK
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Thanks Paul 
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Phemie
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:01 pm Posts: 464 Location: West Cork, Ireland
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Wonderful! Awesome! What plants and what photography. A real treat. Unfortutley no hope of growing most of those beauties in West Cork and even if they survived they would never get to that size. So dream on!!!!!!!!!!!!
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