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Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument...
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David Matzdorf
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Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:06 pm Posts: 5321 Location: Islington, London UK
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Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument...
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:48 am |
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charliepridham
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:42 pm Posts: 1925 Location: Cornwall
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
unhappily that seems to be that they eat it!
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:56 am |
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Paul Spracklin
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:55 pm Posts: 2564 Location: North Thames delta UK
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
I think it has been a long long time since gardeners have been growing just native plants, so it is all a bit of a non-argument anyway. I blame the Romans...
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:24 am |
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Steven
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:02 pm Posts: 2486
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
At the risk of sounding like a smart *rse, but yes, that's what we all can confirm. Other studies even prove, that gardens have a much higher bio-diversity than the open rural countryside (which most often consists of agricultural mono- or oligocultures), thanks to the great variation of plants from all over the world we grow just for fun.
That animals are able to adapt to the supply is a simple truth local greens have been ignoring for decades. I've been told by someone, that my large Rhododendron groups are completely useless for the ecosystem. Obviously someone, who never saw a flowering specimen buzzing with hundreds of bumblebees and I may remind to those pesky cicadas, that live way to well on expense of them!
Plants have been introduced to us since stone age, so why should it be harmful just by now!?
The german greens, who have turned partly into a highly intolerant bunch with quasi totalitarian tendencies, (they tried to introduce a mandatory " Veggie Day" for everbody, amongst other funny ideas at the last elections and got punished by the voters with the biggest defeat in history) still keep saying, that anything non-native is bad.
I wonder, what "philiosophical construct", (reads "excuse") they used back then in the early 80ies, when their late hippie founding fathers consumed a lot of non-native Cannabis sativa "by"-products, that surely never had anything to do with the production of ropes and such?
May them greens be more tolerant in other countries, the world would need it!
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:14 am |
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georgeinbandonoregon
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:52 am Posts: 390 Location: bandon, oregon usa USDA climate zone 9a
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
just guessing but aren't most of the "traditional" food crops in Germany (and many other parts of the world) NOT native/endemic to that particular area from orchard apples to wine grapes to wheat and not to mention ("indian") corn, potatoes, tomatoes, (and of course the herb superb cannabis sativa, LOL) etc.----most all being either complex hybrids that MAY have some native species DNA mixed in to outright exotic imports from completely different parts of the world or both. in the name of environmental purity, will they then forego these things and thus likely starve or accept that the agricultural/horticultural/gardening world as it is has at least some redeeming qualities of both practical and aesthetic use---especially when they sit down to eat after cultivating their rose garden???
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:05 pm |
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davidmdzn7
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:01 pm Posts: 412 Location: Maryland, USA
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
Here is an article on the subject from Stephen Jay Gould: http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.edu/p ... es/483.pdf
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:21 am |
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Alexander
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:55 pm Posts: 3344 Location: Leidschendam, The Netherlands. (52 N latitude)
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
Before the iceages Europe had a much richer flora with Rhododendrons, Magnolia, Liquidambar, Liriodendron and Sabal. All now considered non native species. Well those now planted are from other parts of the World but most people do not know that they had European counterparts. And about exotic plants versus wildlive, Budleia davidii from China is a good example of a non native species wich is benficiel for wildlive, in this case butterflies. Asters from America are another example. Well people should grow what they like. I have lots of exotic plants here but also native ones like Primula elatior, P. vulgaris and Dactylhoriza praetermissa.
But know one should tell me that I should grow only plants from this part of the World!
Alexander
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:25 am |
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Epiphyte
Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:41 pm Posts: 134 Location: Glendale, CA, USA
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Re: Next time the Native Plants Tendency starts an argument.
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